Healthcare Company

Trend Vision One makes data meaningful and helps to control an attack early on

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Jasneet Singh

Cloud Security Engineer at a healthcare company with 5,001-10,000 employees

4 and a half stars

WHAT IS OUR PRIMARY USE CASE?

We were using Symantec before, and with the coming of EDRs in the market, we were looking for a solution. We wanted a defense system so that if there is an attack on the system, such as an endpoint is infected or the attacker or a known technique for ransomware is moving laterally, I do not need to go to the firewall team. I do not need to go to other teams to find out. I should have enough intel at that very stage to contain it if possible.

Trend Vision One has reduced our mean time to respond to threats by 70% to 80%.

HOW HAS IT HELPED MY ORGANIZATION?

We were looking for a system with a single pane of glass. The journey started with deploying the EDR client on the servers, which is called Trend Micro™ Deep Security, and Trend Micro Apex One™ on the endpoints, such as desktops and laptops. We then connected them to a single pane of glass, which was called XDR, now known as Trend Vision One. It has helped us to correctly hunt and fix. We could see the communication between the endpoints and the servers and anything else they were talking to. We could then further expand it and connect it to all of the systems through APIs. That was the initial requirement we had, and it worked very well in that sense.

When you buy extensive or expensive SIEM solutions, such as Splunk or something else, what happens is that you need analytics. You can write meaningful queries to query the data. At the end of the day, all the data going in needs to be correlated. Trend Vision One provides visibility in that sense.

We connected it to the cloud, so we could see the telemetry from Azure and cloud. We then installed the network detection response. It could see and detect a little movement from the network layer. We then connected it to Active Directory, so we could have attribution happening. We currently have a lot of data coming. With a small team, the issue that arises is how to deal with so much information and how to prioritize. It helps with the prioritization. The system is smart enough to proactively go and scan the logs and trigger workflow alerts. It prioritizes them based on the criticality, such as high, medium, low, or informational. When you have a small team, your analysts can go and start looking into those and see what is happening and what they need to prioritize at a stage.

We came very close to a Russian threat actor and Trend Vision One helped tremendously. It helped us to control the attack in the initial stages. They got into the environment and they got the reverse shell out. I saw the alert. Trend Vision One Protection showed me in detail what they ran, what they queried, what information was captured, and where the connections were going out. It was an initial access broker that had done the attack. If this information was not picked up on the late Friday afternoon, you can imagine what could have happened by Monday. Within hours, that information would have gone on to the dark net and would have been sold to a ransomware gang. The mean time to respond was reduced significantly. It is very rare for most organizations to detect such attacks in their own environment within the first four hours. It reduced the mean time to respond by 70% to 80%.

Its real-time monitoring capabilities help a lot in our overall security posture. We have everything configured to our central SOC email system, so the minute an alert is fired and depending on what criticality it is, we can work on it. When you work in the health industry, you often work with vendors who are still not very cybersecurity conscious. They are still learning. One of them plugged in a USB drive, and we found an early indicator of compromise. The device was plugged into one of the technical systems. It not only detected and blocked that, but we also got the alert pointing to the machine. If it was not detected and picked up at that very stage within a matter of minutes, it could have had a pretty big impact eventually.

The beauty is that I do not need to go and log in to the separate console of Apex One or Deep Security. I have got all the visibility and telemetry feeding in real-time into the Trend Vision One console. The Trend Vision One console straightaway alerts you. It just flashes a critical alert. It blocks, but then it provides mitigation recommendations. We need to take the machine off the network, scan the USB, educate the user, and escalate to the right people. Having all that information at hand is very crucial. We can influence the user behavior as well so that they do not do that again.

We are using it on endpoints. We are using it on our servers. We have a network detection response, which is called NDR. We are monitoring all the internal traffic coming from the firewalls. We have Citrix NetScalers, so we are monitoring the network side as well. We also have another product called Conformity that does a cloud assessment and compliance check for all externally exposed cloud assets. It tells you if they are not in compliance. For example, with the project that went in, something might get exposed accidentally, such as an Azure storage account, to the Internet. It all feeds into Trend Vision One, and we have a single pane of glass.

It is helpful for multiple teams. It is not only limited to SOC. We have teams from the cloud side and sometimes from the endpoint and the server side who can get in, and they can see the alerts. It makes it easier to work because we all are seeing the same thing with more information. So, we are using it for our endpoint servers and network. We are using it for monitoring our Azure cloud. We also have something called Trend Micro™ Cloud App Security licenses as part of our licensing. We have policies that do advanced threat protection monitoring and DLP monitoring on the SaaS channels, such as Exchange Online, Teams, OneDrive, and SharePoint sites. These are other channels from where the data can be shared, the data can enter our environment, or the data can go out of our environment. It has policies to monitor DLP. It has policies to monitor any malicious files or any indicators of an ATP attack. We get those alerts as well.

There are two dashboards. The Executive Dashboards give an overall view of the entire system and what is happening on our system at any point in time. We can see how many outstanding vulnerabilities we have, what we need to report to the management, and how we will be progressing for things like that. Then we have the Operational dashboard with real-time alerts or pending alerts. It shows us that we have some account that is a match from a .Net data lake. A problem, for example, is that most users keep the same password, so you could have the same account password for your work account and for your personal account. They can get compromised at home and work as well. So, we use Executive Dashboards for reporting and overall understanding of what is happening in the environment and what we need to report and prioritize. The Operational dashboard is for day-to-day work.

It is very important that we are able to drill down from the Executive Dashboards into XDR detections. We are in the health industry. We are a hospital. The board is not only worried about ransomware because that can happen to anyone. You can never be safe enough. They are also concerned about the damage to our reputation and the operational cost of recovering, so they are very keen to have visibility. The Executive Dashboards give us good enough information to filter that. For example, our desktop support team has a limited set of people. For cybersecurity, we want to prioritize patching for a zero-day threat, but sometimes, it cannot happen because the teams have other priorities. The issue is not that they do not want to help, but they do not have resources. With Executive Dashboards and reporting, we can escalate things to the board saying that we need some attention. We can ask them to fund us with more resources to get this across the line. It helps us dictate the impact and prioritize a critical cybersecurity vulnerability so that we can get the management's buy-in to prioritize it and address it before it goes out of hand.

We use the Risk Index feature to map against other organizations in the same geographic region to see how we are doing in terms of risks as compared to other organizations. Are we better or worse than others? If we have some areas where we are worse than others, they help us to understand the reason and how to improve.

If we want to go through every single event, then with our current licensing, XDR can hold up to six months of data, which could be millions or thousands of alerts. A smart thing that they have done is to provide the Workbench, which automatically prioritizes. It does the hard work for you by pulling that intel and saying that these are the highly critical ones that you need to address as soon as possible. I am not discounting the fact that sometimes, attackers do not even go for highly critical ones. They go for a medium one, but it helps us to get them out of the way. Our team is small, and I had a good experience training a few people, taking them through, and showing them how to do it. Once people start working, they understand the workflow. It just becomes a second habit. It is very intuitive. You can get into the console, add new indicators of compromise, add new threat-hunting queries, add new CTI feeds, and check for new vulnerabilities. There is so much you can get out of it. You just have to prioritize what you think is important for that day.

We do use Managed XDR as a second service. The way that comes in handy is that we do have people on call. I, for sure, keep checking my emails, but if we have a critical alert that no one has attended from our side, they triage it. They triage it very well and then rate it. For example, they might say, "It seems to be benign or negative, but an alert came in, and no one was available. If you want to add an extra layer of security or caution, here is the mitigation." They are very responsive. I was able to see the big attack that we had two years ago within the first four hours, and by the time it got to the XDR, it was all correlated. Within half an hour, their response team came to the same conclusion. They reached out to us when I was about to reach out to them, so we were on the same page. They are definitely a good backup or a second solution for us. Also, some of the alerts can come up from workflows. They may seem malicious but they are not. The Managed XDR service people come back to us just to reconfirm that. We tell them that it is a known file. They do not need to worry about it. Sometimes, we might miss something or have no idea about the next step. They then come up with a recommendation about what we need to do. It is a very good service to have.

We are using Attack Surface Discovery to monitor the devices we have and the internet-facing assets, accounts, and applications. API is something we are still looking into, but with a few clicks, we get an overview. We can see how many are patched and how many are exposed externally or internet-facing assets. We have a lot of subdomains linked to the primary hospital site for different projects and workflows. We can see how they are doing, which ports are open, and which known vulnerabilities are there because some of them are not managed by us. They are managed by externally hosted vendors, so we can keep them in check. The same is applicable to our accounts. If we have accounts that are on the dark net, or we have accounts with excessive privileges that can potentially be exploited, we can address that.

For applications, the feature that I like the most is called the Cloud App List. It basically looks at all the SaaS applications and benchmarks them. It profiles them based on the rest and gives us a report. It tells us that certain apps that people are using may not be officially sanctioned by us. For an unsanctioned app, they do a risk profiling through Trend Vision One, which shows us which security compliance standard it has gone through from the vendor. They give us a quick understanding of how bad or good it is to continue using an application.

During the COVID time, I was setting up Trend Vision One, and I got an informational alert. The husband of a nurse gave her a USB, and she plugged it in. She was in an off-site environment, but the Trend client was still running. The clients were connected to the SaaS console or the Internet, so all telemetry was still being fed. They must have thought that it was not the case, but detections were still coming. When she plugged it in, it downloaded a power shell exploitation framework, which they were able to map to an ATP group from China that commonly uses this technique for intellectual property exfiltration. I quite like how much visibility it provides. For a couple of applications here, sometimes an alert comes in, and it can even drill down to the last command that was executed. It can create an attack graph and show you the full execution profile. It helps you troubleshoot and filter out whether something is a false positive or an issue at hand. This whole interconnectivity of different systems into Trend Vision One, and its ability to help individualize an attack, is the thing I like the most. It is very good because reading logs and seeing an attack visualized are two different perspectives for a threat hunter. It really helps you understand what is going on.

With every such technology in an enterprise environment, as well as with most of the production systems, the reduction in the amount of time we spend investigating false positive alerts depends on how fast you finetune the system. You need to tell it which are the exceptions and not to alert you on it, and which ones it should alert you on. It is a balancing act in cybersecurity. For example, logins are used by attackers but also by your admin staff. If you totally put them in exemption, you can have a malicious login executing in your environment. You would be completely blind there because nothing would get alerted. In terms of false positives, the system is capturing a lot of data, and it is not the system's fault because it is seeing a lot of data. Sometimes, we have not classified the data. We are getting better at it. We are labeling and tagging the systems. We are fine-tuning it, and it has reduced a fair bit, but we still have a lot of work to do. It happens, but it is something we do behind the scenes. In terms of the day-to-day threat hunting and visibility, it categorizes them in Workbench, and that is what we look at first thing in the morning. We get to know what is happening and what we need to focus on. Once we see that there is a pattern repeating for some false positives and Workbench alerts are high and not true positive, we then figure out how to whitelist those systems. We now know that this is a known execution process. We know it is a known traffic or a known vendor that runs this application, and when it opens, it connects to these ports, for example. It is a bit of a balancing act. It changes dynamically.

WHAT IS MOST VALUABLE?

For our day-to-day use cases, the correlation and attribution of different alerts are valuable. It is sort of an SIEM, but it is intelligent enough to run the queries and intentionally detect and prioritize attacks for you. At the end of the day, it is different data that you see. It correlates data for you and makes it meaningful. You can see that someone got an email and clicked a link. That link downloaded, for example, malware into the memory of the machine. From there, you can see that they started moving laterally to your environment. I quite like it because it gives visibility, so Workbench is what we use every day.

They also have something called virtual patching. If you have end-of-life systems or systems that are out of support, you cannot upgrade the agent, but you can still do the update if you get the signature. This is the feature I like. For example, today, if a new zero-day threat is out with a link vulnerability where attackers send you a link, and that link, even if opened in the preview mode, can basically execute a malicious code, we just cannot patch within four or five hours. We are a midsized organization. We are fairly big, and sometimes, it takes two days or even a week. With virtual patches being there and XDR with all that information connected, we can see that the virtual patch is working. It is there. We have all the mitigation in place, but then it is also detecting the environment for that threat. We can further write the hunting queries and enhance detections. So, Workbench detections and virtual patching are very helpful.

It also gives us an executive dashboard where we are monitoring our external sites. We can see what ports are open and what known vulnerabilities are being scanned on them. We get visibility and better mean time to respond and act.

The user interface is pretty easy to use. Sometimes, you learn it while you play around with it and you set it up. One thing I do like, which is very good, is that you can pivot from within the console to different sections if you know how to go about it, but if you have not used it, it could take a bit of learning. A good thing that Trend Micro has been doing for the last two years is organizing some sort of CDFs, which are scenarios based on real threat actors. They get you to come to those events. It is gamified so they can attract people. If you want to learn, they would show the event ID that came in and where to go and see that event ID. They show you how to hunt based on that event and how to extract the indicators of compromise from that ID. There is a feature called Suspicious Object. They show you how to block one. If you have a suspicious object linked to a threat intel feed that goes to Palo Alto, you can not only block it in XDR or Trend Vision One, but straightaway, it also gets pushed to your firewall, so your firewall is also blocking it now. There are some cool functionalities, but you need to spend time to understand how you would pivot between different subsections. If someone is new and starting, it is still pretty straightforward. The UI interface is very self-explanatory. There are a lot of details. There is a lot of telemetry added to it for you to see and understand. It is not that complicated. If you have a bit of a cybersecurity background, you should be able to pick it up pretty straight.

They are constantly updating it, which is a good as well as not-so-good thing. There is an update every few weeks. They are very good updates. I quite like it that they have such an agile development. They listen to their customer's feedback, and they are constantly investing in the product. They do not give you an off-the-shelf product. The world is changing, and the attacks are changing. It is kept up to date.

We use the Risk Index feature to map against other organizations in the same geographic region to see how we are doing in terms of risks as compared to other organizations. Are we better or worse than others? If we have some areas where we are worse than others, they help us to understand the reason and how to improve.

WHAT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT?

Reporting could be a little bit better. They are working on it, and it is getting better. They have different development teams working on this product. Like any bigger organization, they have so many people working and fixing the product, and they have their own development routines and cycles and understanding of the code. It has gotten a lot better, but it has a long way to go. Recently, there were a couple of more reports. What I like is that they listen to the feedback. If we tell them that we need this reporting, they go back and do something about it. It does not get lost in emails or meetings.

FOR HOW LONG HAVE I USED THE SOLUTION?

We have been using Trend Vision One for almost three years.

WHAT DO I THINK ABOUT THE STABILITY OF THE SOLUTION?

I have not seen any downtime as such. I have not seen the console going down, not even once in three years.

It is set in firm defense. It is a very interconnected system now. I spend most of my time fine-tuning and working in Trend Vision One. It has been 100% stable for me most of the time. I have had no issues. It is very stable. I would rate it a ten out of ten for stability.

WHAT DO I THINK ABOUT THE SCALABILITY OF THE SOLUTION?

We are based in Southwestern. It is a fairly big site. After COVID, we have remote workplaces. It is a part of our standard operating environment. Any new server or any new desktop or laptop has to have the client installed, but we are also multi-site. We have sites in Central Queensland and North Queensland. Those sites came along as well. It is a through-and-through solution. It is being used on all three sites.

Trend Vision One is currently being used by multiple teams. There are 15 to 20 people at the moment. We have the Network and Security team, and then we have the core cyber team. We have people who look after the Trend Micro Apex One and desktops, and we also have people who look after servers and the cloud. They all know what to look for, and they know where the alert is coming from and what they need to do. I have given training internally a few times for people.

HOW ARE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND SUPPORT?

The customer support experience has been fantastic. They are fairly technical. What I like is that they are very responsive. You log a job, and within two hours, someone is on the call with you or contacts you through email. We have a relationship manager or a technical account manager from them who does biweekly calls with us. He addresses any issues and provides escalation channels as well. Their engagement as a vendor and as support has been amazing.

HOW WOULD YOU RATE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND SUPPORT?

Positive

WHICH SOLUTION DID I USE PREVIOUSLY AND WHY DID I SWITCH?

We were using Symantec. When we did the research three and a half years ago, the world was moving to EDRs. An EDR solution compensates for different technologies. It is not static signature-based detection because that can be bypassed easily.

The main considerations were the costs and virtual patching. We were looking for a solution that could help us with virtual patching. When you have a zero-day at hand, regardless of how big is your team, patching sometimes is just not possible. When you are a hospital, you cannot take the systems down. You have to go through a couple of processes, but during that time, you are in a vulnerable state. We were looking for a system that could provide virtual patching, has detection and virtual patching signatures, and gives you the breathing space where you can go and patch a system. It satisfies that need. 

The EDR/full-stack functionality was also a welcome change. We do not have just an antivirus or EDR. It can do a lot more. It can do file integrity checks. It can do a baseline of your known system file caches. It can do all these things.

HOW WAS THE INITIAL SETUP?

Our model is hybrid. Trend Vision One console is on SaaS. It is on the cloud, but we have relays that get the updates, so agents have to be local. The EDR clients on servers and endpoints, such as laptops and desktops, have to be on-prem. The cloud posture management and PC bot are also SaaS-based. It is just through an API. Other than the EDR clients, most of the other integrations are pretty much SaaS-based.

The initial deployment was a bit tricky because even though Symantec was a very outdated product, there was still something on the machine. We had to work extra to get rid of that and put this on. Overall, the deployment was pretty good. The biggest challenge in the deployment of an EDR is understanding what your network traffic, day-to-day workflow, or applications look like. Most EDRs have something called real-time scans, so if something is trying to access the memory where the credentials are stored or write to a system-protected file, and if an EDR does not know about them, it will straightaway block it. They helped us to create those amazing baselines where we could whitelist the known applications and the known traffic. It was good. It took a while to get it right. As the environment changes, you keep fine-tuning it. I did not hear of any major issues or any dramas with it, but I did not do the deployment. 

It does not require any maintenance as such. The only major change that I have recently seen is that they have gone from version 1 to version 2, and version 3 is coming. That is all happening behind the scenes. We had some agents in a different geographic region. We had to migrate them across, which is on-prem, but the backend team did the rest.

WHAT ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION TEAM?

We had a dedicated project team that worked with Trend project managers for implementation.

WHAT'S MY EXPERIENCE WITH PRICING, SETUP COST, AND LICENSING?

I do not have much visibility to it. It is definitely not a cheap product, but to my knowledge, it is out there with the big wigs in the industry, such as CrowdStrike, SentinelOne, and other EDR/XDR vendors. I had heard, and found out eventually, that their sales teams are very flexible, as more sales teams are.

The problem with any XDR is that you need to buy into their whole ecosystem so that it can provide more visibility and more data points. It can understand your system environment a bit more.

We started with the endpoint and server detection, and then XDR was given to us for free at that time to try it out. Once we got into it, we added NDR, which is the network detection response, the cloud side, and all the other things to it. They were pretty good in terms of pricing and understanding of our needs.

Their team is also very good, which is something I have not seen with other vendors. They are proactive. They reach out to you with new things happening in the cybersecurity world, such as any new attacks or detections, any new events, or new training. They reach out to you every few weeks and sit with you to understand what they can do better. This constant engagement and service is good. I do not base it only on the cost. Nothing is cheap, but it is about what you get from a vendor on the service. It is not like sell and forget, where they sold you the product, and they have nothing to do with you. It is a constant engagement because XDR is ever-evolving. They take you on that journey. They show you what new capabilities are coming. They ask about the use cases and how they can help us. They ask about what we are seeing or what challenges or gaps we still have in the environment so that they can help that. This has been my personal experience. It has been absolutely fantastic.

WHICH OTHER SOLUTIONS DID I EVALUATE?

We had another vendor. We tested both EDR clients, and at that time, XDR was just a big buzzword in the market. We did not know what XDR was and whether we would get it. It was given to us as a complimentary to try for a few months. I did EDR testing of this solution and another very well-known vendor in the market. We did an attack simulation. We performed a couple of attacks with malicious code and ransomware. It was really good at picking up most of the attacks, whereas the other one was 50/50. We then created a report based on the facts we had in front of us.

Back then, we were told that Palo Alto was coming up with something called Cortex XDR. They bought another company, which had an EDR client that they slapped into their solution. Their methodology was a bit different. Firewalls were still the first line of defense. For example, the malware sitting on a machine is trying to connect to a command and control server or a malicious domain outside the environment on some ports. Once Cortex XDR sees it, and it hits the threshold, you will start seeing the alerts. I did not want to wait for it to get 25 machines infected before Cortex XDR started doing something. That was too late. I have heard that they have come a long way. They might have gotten similar feedback from others and made some changes internally. They are a brilliant company, but it did not meet our requirements at that time. The detections during the EDR testing were not that great. Most importantly, it did not meet one of the key requirements we were looking for back then. We wanted virtual patching and virtual patching signatures for end-of-support operating systems. That is what was the deciding factor for us.

WHAT OTHER ADVICE DO I HAVE?

To those who are evaluating this solution, I would advise doing a PoC and understanding their workflow and traffic. They should have the right expectations going into the product. It is a system with which you need to invest in other components as well, but once you get it up and running and it's working and tuned, you will start seeing the value of it.

They are now acting as a support partner for us. We can rely on them and work with them because we invested a fair amount of money with them. The product has proven to be very valuable for our defense arsenal. I personally follow them. It is not just me. It is all over the Internet that Trend's zero-day initiative still picks up around 60% of vulnerabilities. It is more than any vendor out there. They have got a very good team.

I would rate Trend Vision One a nine out of ten. Reporting could use a bit of work, but it is improving. Just the other day, I heard that they are starting to provide automated threat hunt queries and an AI bot on Trend Vision One. These features are still in preview, but it is changing rapidly. They also have something called forensic, so you can create forensic cases and log calls directly from the Trend Vision One portal. There are some very good changes that they have made. It is evolving and dynamic.

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